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ashes · May 08, 2011, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Which heroes are you using when playing on your monk? Normally i play a dmg dealing class, but after gwamm i started playing on my monk - but im having problem with dealing a satisfying amount of dmg pr sec when not dealing dmg myself.

Someone enlighten me please - and no, im not going discocaller

Nilator · May 08, 2011, 06:07 PM // 18:07

I usually run a UA heal build, 3 discords(I know you said you don't want to discord call)[1 blood discord, 1 curse, 1 minion bomber], panic mesmer, 1 JB rit minion bomber, SoS rit, and to finish up I grab a incoming/fallback commandagon.
Sit back and c+space use heal party once in a while to make it seem like your heroes aren't doing all the work.
It may seem like a lot of minions but they provide extra bodies so your heroes don't take damage making more dedicated healers a nonissue.

Gabs88 · May 08, 2011, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Honestly, though. A variant of disco-caller would be the way to go about things.

http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Mo/A_AP_Boon-Prot

Something like that, combined with a couple of air elementalists. Smite condition, smite hex, selfless spirit, seed of life, ebon vanguard assassin support, AP?

Other then that there is of course RoJ based builds. But as the player it's you're job to control the battle rather then have all impressive damage and skills. Calling or balling

ashes · May 08, 2011, 06:19 PM // 18:19

I dont have anything against discord, but i really prefer not to run around calling targets all the time - but it starts looking like the only way out, now im not playing a dmg dealing class...

Sigh, maybe i should go ursan ;P

Haggis of Doom · May 08, 2011, 06:23 PM // 18:23

... Discord is so not the only way out.

A monk's hero team is not that different from any other profession's hero team. As long as you're not backlining it should be fine.

ashes · May 08, 2011, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Used to play 100b with mop heroes n splinter n smite n stuff - so i guess it differs alot.

Killing just seems so slow now... *ponders*

FoxBat · May 08, 2011, 06:28 PM // 18:28

I've been a little frustrated recently watching mesway's reluctance to target things you aren't targeting, which translates into alot of missed triggers. Seems the potential is there for you to just drop ward of wisdom and heal people while your mes mercs go to work.

jackinthe · May 08, 2011, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashes

I dont have anything against discord, but i really prefer not to run around calling targets all the time - but it starts looking like the only way out, now im not playing a dmg dealing class...

Sigh, maybe i should go ursan ;P

no joke
did a lot of vanquishing on my monk as ursan

this was pre sab/discord/7heroes but it worked

LexTalionis · May 08, 2011, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Well, doesn't Arcane Echo -> Ray of Judgement do a heck of a lot of damage? You could probably do something funny with that and Searing Flames. Or take three more RoJ hero monks and see how many beams you can drop at once.

If that's too Energy Intensive, you could use Glyph of Swiftness/Serpent's Quickness/Weapon of Quickening instead.

ashes · May 08, 2011, 06:39 PM // 18:39

RoJ deal decent dmg, but most of the pulses are often wasted due to scatter

awry · May 08, 2011, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Strength of honor, Bonds Spam, bip+orders buddy Bond your whole team and then micro your heroes while u sit back and watch.

Wenspire · May 08, 2011, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Rangers (with pets), an sos rit and an oov necro works for me when I run my monk as defensive.

Gabs88 · May 08, 2011, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashes

I dont have anything against discord, but i really prefer not to run around calling targets all the time - but it starts looking like the only way out, now im not playing a dmg dealing class...

Ye, and I RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing get that 100%. But reality is that I have yet to figure a way you can be truly effective as a monkey. ^^ AP caller is the closest you get.

Windbow · May 08, 2011, 07:53 PM // 19:53

I run quad roj on monk+heroes with spiritway and a mes. bound roj to num 123 and balling stuff quickly with Pspirit and SoA. Works for me, and 4 rojs deal so much dmg scatter is no issue.

Frostie Arrows · May 09, 2011, 12:08 AM // 00:08

I either heal or run SoS. Then for heros i run 1 illusion, 1 domination, 1 curses, ST defensive rit or Necro Healer, Sos or UA depending on what i run. Of course you could put in a ST Offensive Rit. Used to run SoGM rit, however ive come to learn since heros can't summons spirits ST seems to work better.

Hope this helps.

Plutoman · May 09, 2011, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabs88

Ye, and I RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing get that 100%. But reality is that I have yet to figure a way you can be truly effective as a monkey. ^^ AP caller is the closest you get.

There's a heck of a lot of ways, thank you very much. Discordway is not the end all solution. Neither is an AP caller.

If you heal - a player healer is a potent force. If you do most of the healing, you can stack up 3 mesmers and other AoE/Single target damage sources (splinter rangers, rit spirits, invoke ele's, plenty of options). You can also drop ebon standard of wisdom and targets should go down rather fast. But honestly, with practice, you can serve as a sole healer in the party rather easily. Take a source of protection either as a dedicated prot or a secondary (and take some for yourself for emergency situations) and it's golden.

As a damage dealer, deep freeze on a hero (micro it to a key, or click it on a target) -> RoJ (or arcane echo it). There's not a lot of effective damage dealing monks except against undead, but there are possibilities to be sure. Shared Burden is another alternative that has a myriad of other uses that serves as a snare for RoJ.

darthsabbath · May 09, 2011, 01:19 AM // 01:19

When I play my monk I usually go heals (maybe with EVAS and Finish Him! for a little added dmg) and let my heroes do the work. My typical monk hero setup is:

UA Prot Monk - I usually run Healing Burst so I Arcane Mimic UA for a big healing boost
SoS Rit - Pretty generic bar, SoS, Splinter Weapon, Bloodsong, etc.
2 Mesmers - PI Dom Mesmer + Ineptitude Illusion
Minion Master with curses support
AoG Dervish - Usually used for pulling/balling mobs... toss Seed of Life on them when they grab aggro to protect your team from spikes. Will also Micro the prot monk's Prot Spirit on this one.

Last spot is usually open... I'll often run a Command Paragon just because I have a soft spot for the class.

It may not be the most ideal or efficient setup, but it's a lot of fun and can blow through most everything in HM so far.

LexTalionis · May 09, 2011, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plutoman

....(splinter rangers, rit spirits, invoke ele's, plenty of options).

Question about that: How effective is an invoke elementalist hero against HM content? I've not tried one and unfortunately, my elementalists heroes are all geared up for ER.

Plutoman · May 09, 2011, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Rather effective, actually. Look at Jeydra's HM Raisu run where he uses 2 of them, I believe. The armor penetration is effective in mitigating the level difference. I personally run invoke quite often, and against everything besides rangers I hit upwards of 90+ damage packets on invoke and chain, and l-orb is pretty good single target damage, though the 2 second cast is annoying.

However, in areas where you can easily hit more than 2-3 targets, there's better options by far. Bar compression is pretty good though, too - you can easily have 2, 3, or even 4 skills as open slots if needed - the important skills are invoke, chain, l-orb, air attunement. I usually use glyph of ele power to boost damage, AoR, and two other generic spells - weaken armor is a nice complement and can boost damage to over the stated amounts, and it's easy to fit in fall-back chains, too. It's a relatively good spike in a short recharge, and it supplements as a mild AoE, so I've always liked it. Plus I main as an ele so I have a soft spot.

Sorry to derail the topic here <_<

akelarumi · May 09, 2011, 08:03 AM // 08:03

I made my monk mainly to help my guild, cause we have a shortage of monks/healers, when doing stuff together.

But on the ocassions I have to play her with hero's I bring a SoS-build myself, with discordhero's, 2 seering flames ele's, a blazing finale paragon and a hb-monk.

It didn't fail on me so far.